Talk:Living Together Research Proposal

Discussion on Proposal

Introduction

• i like the idea of observing three people's lives. think that would work really well!
• cover history of world government as a notion
• what's the current status of academic discussion?

• 'The Book of Formation' by Abraham - seed of most religions
  • use to establish idea of oneness and same origin for most(all?) religions

• different religions (e.g. Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism) are talking about the 'Tree of Live'
  • further indicator for same origins

• challenge idea of ONE way of living; diversity of nature within oneness
  • tribal living varied
• need for fresh start; current attempts are based on the idea the we (as Takers) rule the planet and that new programs within the existing vision can be the solution; changing from controlling effects to controlling causes (pick up point in I and give examples)
  • we are part of nature and with this understanding we need to create a new vision that enables us to live in harmony with our surrounding
  • law of limited competition, i.e. dont destroy our competitors food and/or deny their access to it

• State what the roles of each individual involved is within the project of writing this paper

I think the main idea we are trying to convey regarding the paper is that there is an ancient wisdom, an underlying unity-consciousness that can guide our application of technology to create a peaceful and just society. The notion of the unification of spirituality and technology and expressing this in political science terms within the context of the discussion around world government.

Regarding the writing of the paper we need to come up with a way to involve many other researchers from different fields and use the OD wiki to manage their contributions. We want to work with specialists to write the bulk of the paper and focus on the global aspects that tie everything together. We are not so much writing a paper as we are managing the writing of a paper and developing a shared overall vision.--Milan 22:28, 4 January 2008 (NZDT)

World Government

Summary of current political debate. Critical analysis of proposed institutions revolving around the issue of corruption. Using examples and case studies to demonstrate extent of corruption and need to address this from a systems perspective. Basic premise being that centralisation and top-down governance structures combined with secrecy are breeding grounds for corruption. Furthermore, there is a dangerous denial of the extent and threat of corruption which compounds the problem.--Milan 22:28, 4 January 2008 (NZDT)

regarding changes made to section 1

• i do think that political science as such is concerned about creating or how to establish a peaceful, just and prosperous global society. it simply depends on who u ask and what school this scientist follows. i.e. realism, globalism, liberalism, etc. so i think its a bit difficult to support the statement. its true for some schools and scientists but not for all. the variety is enormous. the question is much more what makes it way from the political scientist to those people that do make decisions? here the statement: ' the strengthening of centralised institutions like the world bank, united nations, world trade organisations and the decreasing role of nation-states which will be required to relinquish authority to said global institutions or even a world government' applies. but not to political science as such!
• talking about corruption and multinational corporates gaining power needs to include the concept/practice of lobbying
• concept of 'all aspects changeable' is uncommon and unclear to anyone who's not familiar with it. maybe it can rephrased or might not be essential for the proposal?
• I love the distinguishing between the two forms of global government as it makes it very clear what's new about the thing we want to talk about. as far as i know this concept of localised decision making has been very much neglected. however, we do need to look at currently discussed models of world government.
• we do need the bridge to the philosophical section, saying that a peaceful, etc. world government is not possible without that foundation.

regarding proposal structure and content

• (1) Title
• (2) Current research and discussion
• (3) Questions and expectations regarding the result, including reasoning why
• (4) Possible consequences of the results
• (5) Bibliography

regarding section 1, questions to answer

• (a)what's the potential of a world government? why do we need/want one?
• (b)what's the structure going to look like and how would it operate?

Concepts

• The main emphasis is political science rather than philosophy, so philosophical concepts will need to be expressed within a political science framework
• World government is one of the concepts addressed, however we want to avoid implying rigid centralisation. Further potential problems that arise from world government are corruption and the large interfering with the small. Rather, we want to express the idea of a "global" (in the sense of holistic) organisation and how local organisation can scale to world level
• We need to build a connection between the concept of organic groups and the idea of institutions with a mandate (given how)?

Principles

Discuss from the solution

etc. Place current problems in context of solutions, that is explain why or how a certain approach is taken, contrasting with current problems or discussing the achievement of currently impossible aims.

Flo thoughts

• express why philosophical foundation is essential for any form of structure, government, etc.
• first sentence of aims: is the main focus on modern technology? isn't it more the general need of people to find back to a natural way of living, where we each individually and we as the whole are supported and nurtured
• acknowledgement of the greater One and therefore the realisation that everything has its natural perfect balance. human interference with this natural balance causes disharmony and suffering. we need systems that work with the Godly given balance, harmony, abundance and perfection and are an expression of these values.
• on world government: corruption AND peace, equality, happiness, fulfilment, unity, etc.
• don't understand last sentence