Talk:Organisational Portal

hey, great to see this started. i will do all i can to contribute/improve processes as they come up. From experierience, the first place a company needs organization/processes is accounting. I have some good material to contribute here, forthcoming. --Phalseid 06:46, 23 Jun 2006 (NZST)

Accounts are the foundation of the peer system too. Accounts when thought about more generically are actually based on the list of changes to the dimensions of resource within the organisation. At the lowest level of physics its all accounting! --Nad 09:43, 24 Jun 2006 (NZST)

are you talking debits and credits in a sense? fascinating. im really excited to see what im about to learn thru this process. --Phalseid 14:57, 23 Jun 2006 (NZST)

The conservation laws (eg. conservation of momentum, and conservation of energy) are the universes funamental accounting system. It means that a debit on one dimension of resource must equate to equivalent credits over other dimensions. --Nad 10:26, 24 Jun 2006 (NZST)

come from nothing...go back to nothing. --Phalseid 15:31, 23 Jun 2006 (NZST)

Peder, the term zero-sum game is normally applied to a situation, i believe, where the win/lose scenario applies to a system with multiple actors. So whatever I gain, you lose, so when you add up the amounts the sum is zero. As opposed to a situation where we can agree on a course of action that benefits everyone and the outcome is greater than zero. This applies to the realms of communication and competition and normally applies when modelling scenarios within the competitive environment of "The Marketplace"--Milan 10:43, 24 Jun 2006 (NZST) → Wikipedia:Zero-sum_game

Indeed, nature is the ultimate example, showing us how in working together we can create abundance for all. Remember that there is no resource crisis on Earth, only a problem of a few greedy people keeping most of it for themselves even though they can't use it all. --Nad 11:58, 24 Jun 2006 (NZST)

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uh, a thought. what is the groupthink on companies that (i personally) we may have "ethical" problems with abusing this information? ie. spammers, etc. Does the wiki philosophy belief that good people > bad people apply here? can we keep the crap under control? milan, this goes back into our Manifesto discussion i think. aran, your thoughts? --Phalseid 06:56, 23 Jun 2006 (NZST)

The OD wiki is "mine", and therefore if I don't like something I'll change it, and if I don't like a user I'll delete them! After we release the p2p version, then there'll be no "global admins" and people can do what they like. Things like spam will not work in the new system the way the currently do because such patterns of behaviour are easily recognised by the system and results in less opportunity for the spammer. --Nad 09:41, 24 Jun 2006 (NZST)

understood. my question was more of the "application" of the principles by the "bad guys" (yin?) . anyone can read it. (right?) is this system self-contained such that the processes only work WITHIN its own structure (which i doubt, but see my notes on history) or that the processes will work with a myriad of other tools. so my concern is that knowledge learned here can (and will) be mis-applied. if that makes sense. im fine just admitting it and moving on, but first, i have to admit it....--Phalseid 14:57, 23 Jun 2006 (NZST)

The evil principle of death is Yin - its natural and is required for the growth and evolution of the network. There is no life without death, potential can only exist within an environment of inherent reduction.

Actually the processes built within the network can only really work within the network, because they require nodal reduction to work, but the network can work with any legacy technology. The main power of the network is its holistic connectivity which only well supported ideas can benefit from, which will reduce the bad ideas to minimal resource, while great resource would support projects designed to stop bad things (not only in-network things, but external issues such as poverty, war and whaling). --Nad 10:05, 24 Jun 2006 (NZST)

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but does well supported="right"? War is usually "well supported" at some point. --Phalseid 15:11, 23 Jun 2006 (NZST)

Well that's where faith comes in - I believe that Humanity would do the right thing en-mass when they can see objectively the state of affairs and the right and wrong courses of action laid out before them. People are not inherently evil, its difficulty of circumstance, ignorance, denial etc that bring out these evil qualities. People being born in sin does not mean they are born evil, it simply means they are born into the illusion of not being God (the Source) --Nad 10:20, 24 Jun 2006 (NZST)

I think that the word objectively is the key to the problem. by defenition, sin (missing the mark) is caused by a subjective lense of non-self-awareness. im not convinced that objectivity is possible to any degree. --Phalseid 15:28, 23 Jun 2006 (NZST)

Understanding the subjective and objective domains is also a foundation concept of the project. Absolute objectivity is obviously an ideal as is a perfect state of anything worldy. However objectivity can be very close to perfection in a holistic system and leads to harmony. --Nad 13:58, 24 Jun 2006 (NZST)

Good point re wars there Peder. I'dd add to what aran said that our current leaders have mastered the art of "manufactured consent" where the populace is manipulated into supporting the most heinous actions of the state. --Milan

yeah. w's gulf war II for instance...i was brainwashed for a while, but something still didn't feel "right".

If the Germans had known the full potential extent of suffering unleashed by WW2 would they have supported Hitler? No way! But the propaganda machine came up with all these reasons why there needed to be a war, without ever talking about the dire consequences. Essentially we have a pol;itical environment which allows our leaders to lie. In a transparent system where all courses of action need to be judged by their merits and allowed to be compared with each other in order to gain support/resource for their implementation wars would be impossible to implement, also because it would be demonstrated that we are all people and for one part of humanity to harm another would be like one hand cutting off the other hand = complete insanity!--Milan 10:37, 24 Jun 2006 (NZST)

can we reduce war to being about resources? (see debits and credits above...LOL). if so then it boils down to selfishness, or putting ones self above the greater good. this is why politicians (IMHO, except for the humbe few who support term limits) do so much damage and why goverments eventually collapse under the weight of themselves....politicians are in general power hungy and only care about the next election and who is stuffing their coffers. important decisions about the fate of the enviroment are better left to stewards that undestand the "greater good." --Phalseid

One of the important underlying principles of the Project is : "Think Global, Act Local", most politicians, and here lies the problem, apply the direct reverse principle: "Think Local (me-and-my-family!) Act Global (wars and lies)". In biology you have the same represented by the cancer, which destroys the host organisam for it's own (local) benefit.--Milan 11:13, 24 Jun 2006 (NZST)

This also ties in with subjective/objective, because subjectivity is by definition the local "filtered" point of view. Objectivity comes from widening the context out to the most global scale. --Nad 14:05, 24 Jun 2006 (NZST)

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That's lookin' good and useful - don't spend too much time on design though as its not easily maintainable and reuseable in this environment. But having evolved collections of these templates and forms will be extremely useful peer content to migrate.

Also, on another note - I coudn't edit it directly on that form, but you should add in to your notions re channels: They have both input and output context - input is the different ways requests and information can get to the org and router to a role. But output is the media-channel, kind of like shared playlists (or content-schedule) over all the classes of media. --Nad 17:16, 23 Jun 2006 (NZST)

Copy that re design, that's as flash as it gets, just trying to get a basic, friendly-looking layout for the high-level biz sitter ws. I'll add the input-output stuff to the comms channels notion, I was trying to get that defined more clearly for EA. I guess output would also include newsletters and suchlike, although blogs seem to be replacing those now.--Milan 17:22, 23 Jun 2006 (NZST)

Yip newsletters, emails, blogs, websites, video, audio, presentations etc... But the key thing in thinking about it the nodal way is as channels ie items filling up timelines so that content in dynamic streams can be collaborated on while still in the future, and solidify as they approach the present and become history. --Nad 17:55, 23 Jun 2006 (NZST)

Sections

One further section is still missing, this is the "Events" one. It will be added soon and will include things like: "I want to order a product" or "A customer is calling on the phone", etc.--Milan 17:22, 23 Jun 2006 (NZST)

Events are related to the input channels, they are occurences which happen within the context of an input channel --Nad 17:58, 23 Jun 2006 (NZST)

smallbusiness.com wiki

the following wiki is weak content-wise but heavy advertising wise.... http://www.smallbusiness.com/wiki/Main_Page

--Phalseid 08:18, 23 Jun 2006 (NZST)