User talk:Nad

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This flash stuff is realy good. It eleminates one of the main shit features of current interweb technology - the reload. Now the whole page can be dynamic and socketed swfs can publish information. --Rob 21:42, 16 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

Fixed the image upload problem by blasting all my instances of mediawiki and reinstalling. I had several versions under different directories, wiki, wiki1.5.2 etc. I noticed that the image upload could be used from another instance, as it was also writing to the wikidb database, then things got really ballsed up

Sven 21:13, 16 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

Nad:

off topic, but if i do

[[*alert.html|nowiki.php]]

in a page, it works. but if i do

{{stamp_invoice_message}}

instead (which contains [[*alert.html|nowiki.php]])

the article shows nowiki.php instead....? i saw somebody was working on embedding messages, just want to know the "proper" way to do this with other articles.

where im headed is a div message that shows up until cleared by the user...

Phalseid 11:35, 16 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

You can't really use xmlwiki embed/apply operators with mediawiki-transclusion operator. I'll have a bit of a think about your user-message - is it that you want it to work like when you edit a user's talk page, but the message is embedded at the top of the page until they click it or something? Nad 11:44, 16 Mar 2006 (NZDT)


Yo, with my Rosaceae talk Ive installed Firefox on the windoze machines so I can alter the rendering size (infinitely) being able to deliver the material in a wiki - excellent! I am going to look into hacking my own mediawiki test server today to do something like the Printable Version link on xmlwiki. Is it the default-skin.css hardwired file I need to hack? --Sven 09:43, 16 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

I don't remember the MW CSS setup, but they're all in /skins - best to adjust skins/common rather than a particular skin. But if you're wanting to do one that removes the stuff properly (ie not just making it display:none) then you'll need to do some PHP and attach it to one of their official hooks.
Nad 09:58, 16 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

Yo, with the picture rendering can you alter the size as on MediaWiki 1.5.x? e.g. [[Image:expt2.tiff|thumb|400px]](400px controls size) --Sven 14:34, 14 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

Dunno about the syntax, haven't tried it, but I think that image resize can be done as long as it knows where to get ImageMagick (which it does, so it should) --Nad 14:36, 14 Mar 2006 (NZDT)
Doesnt seem to be doing it :( → I put more appropriate sizes of images in instead :p --Sven 14:48, 14 Mar 2006 (NZDT)
Yip works → now were in business! --Sven 15:02, 14 Mar 2006 (NZDT)
They're not working for me - my browsers can't render the TIFF or something - I thought it would use IM to convert them. I saw the large curtesy-of-mik-black image before, but now none show up. --Nad 15:08, 14 Mar 2006 (NZDT)
My browser was rendering tif before you added the extension to the condig, now its not for me either. --Sven 15:39, 14 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

I started looking for where the actual html output is generated for each page request, I was thinking it might be good to remove all the carridge returns like google does to save on bandwidth (since your ISP has a 1 Gig limit for 128Kbit), but allow debug=1 to leave then in there. Just a thought...

Sven 08:19, 11 Mar 2006 (NZDT)
I wouldn't bother doing a bunch of work just to save some bandwidth - google do it because the CR removal saves them many GB/day, but we'll never be able to fall under the 1G/month no matter what.
But also, Peder's given us that kick arse server on wikiexpert.com which has 100Mb connection to net and 1.2TB monthly traffic allowance! I just didn't want to do all the work of moving the site again - plus its on an unfamiliar linux and webserver.
Nad 09:46, 11 Mar 2006 (NZDT)
thought you might say that... --Sven 10:05, 11 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

Whats the name of the script that generates the xml wiki flash logo now? Ive noticed that if you middle click with the mouse it doesnt recognise that as something different from left clicking a link. Might be nice if the text is light blue, the same as clickable links.

Sven 13:53, 10 Mar 2006 (NZDT)
Ok Ive found your scripts from 25 February 2006 from your stuff on my talk page.
Sven 14:26, 10 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

Nad: after a FRUSTRATING day beating my head with IE and Firefox differences in CSS, i finally gave up and got this working. >in FF only.<  ;) http://www.div0.com/wiki/index.php?title=Operationscan&printable You will see a nifty javascript implemetation for fill in the date (i think i asked out about that a LONG time ago...i had no idea it would be this easy to implement JS.) also got a cool floating div layer for my invoices so that folks don't have to scroll. This div layer for pdf's is the one that was killing me in IE. Havn't tried safari yet... The next step is getting these forms to create articles/csv that i can export, as we have discussed. Then I'll have something here. Thanks for all your help on this. Phalseid 12:54, 10 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

Nad, It appears that your new flash dynamic image doesnt list my edits, only other peoples - if so thats cool!

Sven 08:31, 10 Mar 2006 (NZDT)
You're edits are showing up on my logo...? maybe your edits may have been minor - I needed to save space so didn't show minor edits. Nad 20:21, 10 Mar 2006 (NZDT)
ok, thats what was happening. --Sven 08:19, 11 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

Thanks for your help with embedding the flickr badge. Looks pretty neat, huh? I got the bg colour right, it seems...Milan 09:33, 9 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

Gentlemen, any use out there for a SLA template? im looking at buying and wikifying | this one... whatcha think? Phalseid 06:39, 9 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

I wouldn't persnoally have a use for it since I only deal with low-stress casual clients, but eventually we'll need templates of SLA's and other kinds of contracts for template-based organisations. So it would be good to start accumulating such material - but surely we can't just put in content from commercial template collections etc? what are the liscences on the templates you bought? or is it a tool which generates them?
I havn't bought it. I have emailed them to see what our rights would be... Phalseid 12:45, 10 Mar 2006 (NZDT)
I've started a list of template classes in instances in Category:Templates. Nad 20:20, 9 Mar 2006 (NZDT)
SLA & Peer: I think the most key thing about SLA's is the feedback aspect arising from defining processes for assessing the current state of performance/quality (ie the "level of service"). The nodal-model inherently supports this idea because it's every classes job to asses the performance of its instances. Nad 18:51, 9 Mar 2006 (NZDT)
Yes, this ties in exacly with what I am doing from the perspective of the enduser to create an improved workflow. Until now, broken processes were (im)practically unfixable. Now, I have the template {{Change}} on every procedure. I also added it to my left side navigation so you can actually do that to every article. Div0. Phalseid 12:45, 10 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

Dude, that's "Calendar", not "Calender" - just thought I'd point that out Milan 15:45, 7 Mar 2006 (NZDT)

Will continue doing some security auditing. I'm gonna set up a dev box at uni with xmlwiki and migrate our current content onto it. That process will be good for ironing out any remaining bugs and security holes. --Rob 21:08, 27 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Cheers, nice one! I keep forgetting about linking to the 'peeja! I'm a little nervous, about to negotiate my work arrangement with Somen and Kusum, trying to think about how to explain what I can do for them. "Organisation is good because..." but I guess if they don't want org then i'll just focus on the IT support business and rent here.Milan 16:27, 27 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Yo, I have a question about using the div tag on the cats page etc. What do the arguements class=portlet etc in <div class=portlet id=p-nav> do? How come they dont need quotes? I assume id=p-nav creates a unique tag for that div tag, but I can't find info on the options. --Sven 23:52, 25 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Those id's and classes match the CSS rules in default-skin.css, there's no quotes etc because I'm being a casual wiki person and not caring about them ;-) (Actually they're the same id's and classes from the original MediaWiki CSS) Nad 09:16, 26 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Yo, at Justins? Im not doing anything this arvo and thought I might come round if your not doing anything? --Sven 11:41, 25 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Will have a go at the installation of peerd, from the instuctions, Ive slready failed step 1 by using the default wikidb database :(

There's just a fair bit of hardwired stuff in there at the mo - I can't send peer-specific parameters to the scheduled functions yet to use different db name etc... (not urgent though just means it won't backup your db yet) Nad 22:33, 23 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

--Sven 22:31, 23 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

The image with moving clickable links (I assume using Ming) is so damn cool, you must get the peer logo doing it too... --Sven 22:28, 23 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Yip it's Ming SWF compiler (not compiling onchange of the local *.as yet) - but there's no need to upgrade the peers logo since I'm changing the peers whole interface to SWF in the next few days :-) Nad 22:35, 23 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

ok, from what I could make out about UltraVNC, it runs on a windowz machine, but can run on OS X (or any other OS supporting Java), via the JavaViewer. --Sven 22:23, 23 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Aw shit - I forgot you were OSX again - maybe just check out the latest peer install instructions... Nad 22:24, 23 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Can we get a robot to do dummy edits of articles automatically if someone alters the category field only (especially in the xml properties)? I am finding it a pain in the arse...

Sven 17:20, 21 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Yo, In Commands.pl I couldnt see if the wiki backup was also backing up the images directory. Do we need to? Sven 14:51, 21 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Images should be backed up too I guess - that's done now :-) Nad 16:46, 21 Feb 2006 (NZDT)
Cool --Sven 17:20, 21 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Something I noticed today about MediaWiki embedding, is that the embedded article does not update as new revisions are made (using {{:foo}} to embed foo into another article), you must do a dummy edit to update it, wheras xmlwiki [[+foo]] automatically updates the embedding revision - nice

Sven 23:32, 10 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

I think Ive solved the syntax highlighting of DNA using the REGEXPS field, 

   'REGEXPS' => array(
             1 => array (
                  GESHI_SEARCH => '(a*)',
                     ),

) 

'STYLES' => array(
 1 => 'color: #FF0000;',

), Doh you can only cant have more than one element to modiy in REGEXPS! Sven 16:38, 10 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

The perl.php uses more than one:
	'REGEXPS' => array(
		0 => '[\\$%@]+[a-zA-Z_][a-zA-Z0-9_]*',
		4 => '<[a-zA-Z_][a-zA-Z0-9_]*>',
		),

Personally I like sticking to a convention of naming peer processes after real androids, thats a nice way to do it, as they have User namespace. For some reason I cant yet get going on a default MediaWiki install. Still trying, the instruction information is a bit sparce. Sven 07:53, 10 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Did you require_once('extensions/geshi/geshi.php') from index.php? Nad
No I didn't, I've now tried that and still have not got anything happening. There is also more that one GeSHiHighlight.php kicking around and unofficial patches. Really need to sort this out with our own documentation which I am starting Sven 08:19, 10 Feb 2006 (NZDT)
Oops - no its the GeshiSyntaxHighlight.php that is included in index.php, and you must add all your classes like dna to that script. We don't use that file in xmlwiki as it includes geshi directly from LocalSettings.php instead. Nad
Yes I noticed, in [MediaWiki/GeSHiHighlight.php] comments they also recommend using include("extensions/GeSHiHighlight.php"); in LocalSettings.php (theres also some pointers to prevent page caching when desiredSven 08:44, 10 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

There definately seems to be a lag as to when GeSHi starts implementing the new colour schemes. This could be what you were experiencing when you tried the newer version. Any ideas if anything could be causing this server side? See Talk:CS255988.nt.

Sven 08:34, 9 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Have you checked out the python wikipedia bot? It may give you furthur ideas...

Sven 16:53, 7 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

file in the /tmp directory should be there now.

Sven 14:03, 7 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

As I mentioned about the logs for the bots, e.g. User:Gir, under Gir/Log, there could be a bot specific list of log files (conserving namespace), something like; 

Gir/Log/process.log
Gir/Log/process.log.1.gz
Gir/Log/process.log.2.gz
Gir/Log/process.log.3.gz
Sven 13:24, 7 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Remember that molecular biology technique I was describing to use for copying DNA, see polymerase chain reaction for an overview when you have time...

Sven 11:05, 7 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Guide now at /home/nad

Sven 10:06, 7 Feb 2006 (NZDT)
talk page and a few points;
  • where is the best place to discuss development?
Talk:Current Development
    • project management
no place for this yet
    • tracking hours
can be discussed at Talk:Import-oo.pl
    • etc
    • I have used email, article talk pages, user talk pages, and made up my own articles. ideas?
    • i suggest that we ban email and use this forumn exclusively.
I'm into that - we have the email-to-article working here, but it also appends the email headers which should be deleted
Personally I think email etc of articles is a feature. Users just need to be aware that email is decentralized, any content you want permanant record of should be somewhere within the xmlwiki framework. For highlighting an article to collegues who are not current users of xmlwiki it is ideal. Sven 10:56, 7 Feb 2006 (NZDT)
agreed. a bot to extricate or hide the headers would be nice. I have added this to Feature_Request#clean_up_headers_in_email
  • i am finding it hard to keep track of so many talk pages. it seems to me some of you have

a way of seeing recent changes "live"? by keeping the recent change page open. how do you do this? Maybe if someone suggested a watchlist, or if we could create a development watchlist.

Yes the OD changes update each minute, but some of us use watchlists as well.
You could also add talk pages of interest as bookmarks either on your own Bookmarks:Phalseid, or within another article Sven 10:59, 7 Feb 2006 (NZDT)
  • is there some form of statement that we can start to create that we all agree to as far as this being "owned" by everyone, etc. Maybe im just missing this, if so, please inform me or i will get this started. My concern is (speaking for myself)that we are all using this with our own twist on it. i would rather have one "centralized" development space, and i don't think im the only one that has client data mixed in with this.
The main dev space is Current Development, which is a page containing all the current strands and projects. I'm not sure what you mean about owned, but the project does not subscribe to the concept of intellectual property, since it considers it to be an anti-spiritual crime similar to usury.
yes, i meant "owned" in the collective sense, hence the quotes. i agree with the philosphy espoused herein and practiced by Ghandi and his mentor, Tolstoy
  • i would also be helpful to have guidlines for "creating a new node", and have people that would trade resources (i can give money) for moving client information OFF of div0 for example onto their own space. Phalseid 09:40, 7 Feb 2006 (NZDT)
Such order would be good - we've been finding the "casual" nature of wiki a bit difficult to get under control too, but we're getting used to it, and also have some extreme organisational tools on the way - mainly regarding the accounting and time-management aspects. see Talk:Import-oo.pl.

Yo, I've added dna.php into the correct path for GeShi. The file is currently out of sync with DNA.php. Can you see what is wrong with it, it doesnt seem to colorise yet for my example, CS255988.nt Sven 09:27, 7 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Already been checking it out, but can't see the problem yet... Nad 09:33, 7 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Gee, i would like to log in once and be authenticated across all peers/xmlwikis that trust me. is this possible? Phalseid

Unfortunately the authorisation is handled by the webserver and is linked to the domain and browser cookie/session. For the login to work globally we need the you know what... :

Nad 18:19, 3 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

what if we put the you know what in our User:Name properties. <password>sup3rs3r3t</password> Phalseid 09:47, 7 Feb 2006 (NZDT)
am i crazy?Phalseid 04:03, 8 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

Was I right in having to setup another Wiki account to use Pollen Wiki (same name)? Sven 10:26, 17 Nov 2005 (NZDT) (cut in by another user) Sven 11:47, 10 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

see ?
No. don't set up any users in any other wiki's, the others are managed by bots. Nad 09:32, 8 Feb 2006 (NZDT)

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