Mehran Keshe/interview

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My guest is a researcher and nuclear engineer. His name is Mehran Keshe. He designedplasma reactors. He's observed some interesting effects with these plasma reactors and we're going to talk to him. He lives in Belgium...

This is Bill Alek, you're on the progressive technology hour and I thought we'd get into some of your work.

plasma reactors: magnetic and gravitational field effects

These are nuclear-based systems where we actually achieve what some people call 'plasma disassembly' or "opening up" the plasma, where up to now in the world of physics we spoke about the atom, and then the nucleus, and then the plasma. Now we have 'opened' the plasma and we used the material within the plasma, which is what some people call antimatter - we call it principal matter, which is the main part of the plasma, and then we have what they call the 'dark matter' or so-called dark energy - which we call the transition, and then we have the physical, tangible matter of the plasma. So now we have developed a technology where we actually open up the plasma, we use its magnetic fields, and then we put it back together in a way so we don't actually burn or waste fuel - we don't use fuel. We use the magnetic field of the plasma, and that's why some of the things we do seem strange and some people say is unacceptable. Because what we are doing is ... to places like like Fermilab ... are doing 30-40 years ahead of them. It's a well-known fact. So, in a way, they say antimatter or antigravity - there is no anti about it. "Antimatter" is actually the principal matter of the plasma, it is the mother - the seed, the star. So we have taken physics knowledge of plasma a step further, deeper. As I've said, we started with atoms, then plasma, now we have opened the plasma and we see the properties of one matter, which is one magnetic field, which is the principal matter, or as they call it, antimatter. So the principal matter is a star and else it releases its energy and magnetic fields - in this from the strength and levels it becomes the so-called dark matter or it becomes the tangible matter, or it becomes X-rays - it depends where down the scale it is ... antimatter and antigravity as spoken in English.

'dark matter' vs. 'transition matter'

It's not 'dark matter', we call it transition matter. The antimatter, or principal matter, which is like a star, to get to the matter condition, you have [to pass through] a transition zone. That transition zone, scientists called up to now 'dark matter' - we call it transition matter, which is going like light from the sun reaching the earth. You start with the Sun. We call the Sun the main strength of the whole solar system. Antimatter we call the principal matter, it's the 'star' of the system, and it comes - reduces in strength - to light, to tangible matter, then it becomes all that we see. So there is no dark matter.

Dark matter is meaningless to us; we call it a transition from magnetics, from one strength to another - and there's no antimatter because we call it the principal, the star, the whole plasma. And when it comes to the tangible, we see it as the matter in our level - the matter level.

Websites

• http://www.keshefoundation.com
  • http://keshefoundation.com/powercells for our energy section
• http://www.keshespace.com

Six-year international plasma reactor teaching exchange program

In April we'll start teaching 100 scientists around the world the process of the way we work for production of energy, production of space propulsion - electrical motion, the production of material, and our health section. So we already have the first 100 people who have shown interest and have registered to join in. It's a six-year course and then they shall go back to their own countries. We will not centralise our institute to one country or nation. You come in to learn and you go back to teach your own nation.

It's a six-year, full-time course - that's the plan. You have to live, eat, breathe, day-by-day, through the course - not a 9-5 lecture. The first six months we will be teaching so that everyone starts thinking on the same level, and after that it's physical, making, developing your own reactors for the space technology, your own reactors for the food, medical applications, energy production - everything from A-Z. Because our technology, all our knowledge and patents gained in the process belongs after my passing to the United Nations {UN Social Justice} so I don't carry anything with me. So we were not ready, our knowledge wasn't that deep up until now. Now we think we have enough to start teaching and passing the information on.

Website for the curriculum

The site has been set up, people are there working on the structure of it, the course exactly what we will be doing. People will need visas to get into the country of teaching, because we will be dealing with nuclear materials we need licenses for testing from the government where we are going to start teaching so that we can handle these things safely. It's all going to be set up on in the next six months or so, and then ... we are now looking for who and {garbled}.

...very extensive in a way after six years people will know as much as I know, or the team will know as much as everybody else.

Moon mission, propulsion

Our plan is that by 2015 to land on the Moon, because we don't need to do propulsion - propulsion is already finished. We have systems which lift, we can position, call it magnetic gravitational field. The system is a replica of the Earth. It creates gravitational field like the Earth does and it creates a magnetic field which is ... our so-called 'atmosphere' for our protection. The two are done simultaneously.

What happens: The system finds its position with respect to Earth's magnetic and gravitational fields together. Our system is roughly ten kilo - it comes down to 9, 8, all the way to zero, and then you get a lift. We have to learn how to do directional motion, that's all being sorted out. So we are very much within the framework of what we want to do.

So you have a laboratory set up that demonstrates manipulation of gravity?

We have the systems, yes, it has been offered and handed over to - the vehicular version has been handed over to the Iranian government - they have the technology and blueprints. They already announced [1] [2] they have the Zohal spaceship. We announced this two years ago when I was in Iran. The knowledge has been transferred. The the nuclear reactors have been developed it's in the hands of the Iranian government, it's on par to Sweden's, and we have a copy of the same system with us in Europe. Boeing corporation has seen the system, NASA has seen the system, the Chinese government has seen the system - the {American government} is aware of what's been going on, the Belgian government is fully aware of what's been going on - we've taken the system to their offices. We're not joking, we're not playing, we don't talk. Videos of the weight reduction and the lift we have already handed over to officials of several governments so they know what is coming up.

There was a story that Iran has flying disk technology - is this the same technology?

Correct. That technology belongs to Keshe Foundation. It's been developed by us for them. It's been tested. The videos of the weight reduction have been in the hands of Boeing Corporation for the past 18 months; they know it. NASA has seen it, they know what it is. They have broken the law of propulsion. [Rocket] propulsion is out the window - there is no need for it. Our system weighs some 7-10 kilos and can lift several hundred tons. It's finished.

And then we don't use any fuel; it's a closed system. It's virtually like a pressure-cooker - there's no air displacement, it virtually works on the principle [that] if the gravity of the Earth changes, the Earth will move closer to or further from the Sun. A star system works the same but we have control over the strength of the magnetic and gravitational fields within the system. We find our position with respect to the Earth's gravitational and magnetic fields.

There is no 'anti-gravity' - that belongs to the people who don't understand the concept of the universal motion [cf: Reciprocal System of Theory/Scalar motion]. So, if you look at all the stars and planets, they have gravity and at the same time they produce a magnetic field which is their protection - what we call their atmosphere. So, we have developed the same, but if you are looking at inside the Earth, as much as the data we have, we don't see two different systems, there is one system that creates both of them at the same time [cf: Nassim Haramein/Double toroidal geometry].

So we have perfected the technology, it's taken thirty-odd years... done. And we made the first trial reactors that were showing internal lift, and the actual system which does the full lift has already been developed, so June of this year [March 2011] it will be {ten} years it has been handed over to the Iranian government.

Would you say that this device 'neutralises' gravity?

No. It finds its position in the {spectra} of gravity. It's a big difference. It doesn't create 'anti-gravity'. The system creates gravity and a magnetic field. When you increase its gravity, so you become heavy, you become close to {garbled}; when you increase its magnetic field, it does the reverse. So you actually 'position' yourself in respect to the Earth's gravitational and magnetic fields at the same time, not one of them or the other. And when we turn our system on, you increase the magnetic field of the system, when you pass the boundary of the reactor, you start seeing shimmering light, you see see a bright light coming off. Because the magnetic field of the system and the Earth's magnetic field and the Earth's gravitational field which is magnetically based, they interact - it's like a fluorescent tube. So, we see shimmering light on {the verge of} the interaction of the two magnetic fields and gravitational {fields}.

Is this light emanating from the device?

No. It's the interaction of the magnetic field of the device, which is past its boundary, and the Earth's magnetic field. It's where the two magnetic fields interface. It's like the interface between the Earth's magnetic field and the Sun's magnetic field. So the interface, if it is strong enough, issues a shimmering light.

What would you call this device, essentially, a 'gravity drive' ?

No. It's a Mag-Grav system. It stands for Magnetic and Gravitational system. It produces the two together at the same time. It's like the Earth. On the Earth you are held to the ground because the gravity is there, but at the same time the Earth creates a magnetic field, which is {all around} it is our atmosphere. So these systems do exactly the same, but with our system we use the 'anti-matter' - which we call the principal matter of the plasma to create very powerful fields with very few {atoms} - we use a millionth of a millionth of a gram of material to create this kind of lift. {garbled} atoms.

Are these spinning fields?

Yes, it's a dynamic field. It's not static, it's dynamic.

Have you heard of a researcher - a Lockheed Skunkworks scientist named Boyd Bushman? He's retired now but he describes an experiment on YouTube that uses magnets.

No, no, we don't use magnets, we create magnetic fields. It's a totally different concept but it's the same principle. It's a totally different thing. You have a plasma of magnetic fields. It's very much like in Tokamacs they used plasma to reinforce or reduce the size of the plasma to increase the speed. Well we go to the basis, we open up the ... we strip the atom of its electrons, if we need, we use the plasma of the electron, and if we need a stronger field we use the plasma of the proton. And automatically when we open the plasma, we go directly for the principal matter - what we call anti-matter, and the interaction of the magnetic fields of the principal matter allows us to create our gravitational and magnetic fields. They are very, very advanced. The propulsion technology has gone [out] the window - everybody knows it who is in the propulsion lab at NASA. I {haven't spoken to them because of non-disclosure}, I have all respect for them because I have always said even though Iran is in possession of the Mag-Grav system, it needs international collaboration there is so much knowledge in NASA {garbled} so much in the Russian Space Agency, so much knowledge in the European Space Agency, we have to collaborate because I have seen this in tests, and, for example from here to the Moon is a matter of ... in a few years coming up.

And ... you don't need propulsion, you don't need these huge fuel tanks or rocket technology. It has come, and it's not what we call {garbled} NASA has worked very heavily on this. {...} of 2004 and 2002, they did a miniature test called MTP2 [Meet The Professor] at Washington University, but they could not follow it up because they could not understand how they were doing their work. And the Russian Space Agency has done work on the same basis. So what it is, all of it is ... we have offered ... what we call anti-matter, we call it principal matter, and we use it.

I brought up this other researcher, Boyd Bushman, and he says that there's a relationship between magnetism and gravity.

Ah! Of course it is! I've written a book, if you've read it. It's very simple, it's correct. There is no doubt about it. There is no relationship - they are the same! ¹

The closer you have {} we spoke about a dynamic plasma magnetic field just a few seconds ago, {} field dynamic, yes? When you have two solid magnets, if you bring the two opposite sides together, they attract each other - they 'gravitate' toward each other. But if you bring two same sides of the magnets towards each other, they repulse each other. The repulsion is the magnetic field, and the attraction is gravitational field. But now, if you bring {this} into a plasma which made of magnetic field and if you make a certain kind of separation, the magnetic fields of the plasma, the sides [that] they attract, they become the gravitational field of the system, and the sides [that] they repel become the magnetic field of the system. So of course they are just the same thing it depends if they are on the opposite side or [they] are on the same side. But because of the speed of the interaction and rotation is so fast - as a plasma, so you have the gravitational plus gravitational field within the system or magnetic field.

Boyd Bushman describes an experiment [at Lockheed] where he uses opposing magnetic fields and he discovered that the opposing magnetic field configuration interacts with gravity such that this object fell [more slowly]. He forced two magnets together such that the fields opposed one another and wrapped them up like a rock, and he had a 'control' - an ordinary rock - and dropped them down an elevator shaft, and every time, the one with the opposing magnetic fields fell more slowly than the control.

• [cf: spinning ball-drop experiment]

Yes. What happened? I have been on a conference call to these scientists at Lockheed, about five years ago, for a couple hours. They connected all the scientists on the conference call and none of them have a clue what gravity is, because gravity has been made the 'holy grail' of physics. So actually now, there is nothing to gravity. Gravity is caused by the {word itself} - gravitation. You gravitate toward something. So if I give gravity to the Earth, I have to have a magnetic field, which my magnetic field has opposite to the Earth's magnetic field. So gravity is attraction - or interaction of the two fields which are dissimilar.

• [cf: according to Dewey Larson's Reciprocal System of Theory, gravitation is merely the inverse of radiation, where photons are carried outward by the scalar expansion ('progression') of space, whereas matter, composed of 3D scalar motion, moves in opposition to the progression, that is, inward scalar motion]

The thing is, one thing the scientists haven't explained, in a way - they talk about it but they don't understand what they are talking about - what we call a north pole of a magnetic field is where the fields come out, what we call the south pole is where the fields go in. But in reality, you can have different pole sides, if you put them against opposite side, or similar - it does the same thing! So it's not a one-way system, it's a two-way system. But that is when they are in the solid state. Because you have different atoms of different positions in the same material. In the plasma condition of magnetic fields, you can direct {} all in one direction or all in the other. So that gives you the possibility of playing with gravity or positioning of the system with respect to each other. so we found this very easily because the first time, or I will say, when the first lift happened, I was so surprised at the speed with which I achieved it, that I jumped on the system to hold it down - and I weighed about 100kg - and the system flies, the system moves. We could not keep it down. I've seen people showing a few films or a few bits or a frame lifting up or whatever. Lift 100 kilos! Lift 200! Then we [can talk] about what is working. I've been the first passenger. I've been the first guy who's actually been on the lift and I was so overwhelmed by the ease, that I called the officials and said 'come and see! that thing is moving' and I was jumping on it and the system exploded because I forced it. So we made another one. But now even the one which was made three years ago in Tehran, is obsolete compared to the one I have developed now in the past 2-3 years.

Is there a video?

There is a video of the lift, there is a video of the weight reduction, but we are not showing it. Very clearly. Boeing officials - if you speak to them, they have seen it, they have a copy. NASA has a copy. There are a thousand government officials who are dealing with us who have a copy. It's not something, you have have a copy, you haven't shown it, yeah? The people who matter in the industry have seen it. Some two or three journalists have seen it but they have a non-disclosure agreement - they cannot [discuss it]. So, we are not hiding it, but on the other hand the Iranian government in the past few weeks announced what we said two years ago, that what what we call the light show will be done, it's been done. it's done. They've shown it. The government especially at that level is not so incompetent to call out that they have a spaceship and they show {an incompetent} system. They know what they are talking about, they have it, they know what they are, and {} are in the ground for what is to be coming, what I call the final show. It's not mine, I passed my intellectual rights, I passed my knowledge to the officials, it's theirs to develop.

On your website, KesheSpace.com you go into some detail about this technology. On the page concerning the gravitational technology you show a picture of a disc craft with the technology at the base of the craft

Yes. It's what has been shown in Tehran recently {}.

Is this just a model you're working on?

This was a sketch model, but the reality is not far from it. I cannot go any further.

==You also get into the energy side of this. You claim that this is essentially a closed system. Yes, that's correct.

Looking at the Keshe Electric generator on keshespace.com - you get into electricity production. What are you doing, using this as a thermal source?

No, no no! This is exactly where the difficulty is. If you go back to what I told you a few minutes ago, these systems create magnetic fields which can pass the boundary of the system. And when the magnetic field passes the boundary of the system, I told you, you see shimmering light. Now, this magnetic field we can increase or reduce its boundary. We can increase or reduce the strength, it depends on what material we use within the internal reactors of the system. So, you have a dynamic magnetic field, which is beyond the boundary of the system. You can put it in a copper coil; you get the same effect as a generator. That's where the difference starts - that's where the concept is, that's where it sits. But even this - because we have a copy here - the discussion with Teheran officials, let's put this reactor in the midst of a generator and let's produce electricity. But because of certain reasons, I did not go, I could not stay, to do with personal reasons, nothing to do with my business site.

So when I came back I spent a fortune making a copy. We have a copy, we reproduced, we turn the magnetic field on, we put it inside a special way of winding copper windings and we generate electricity. So, what in reality is this concept that people [say] you need heat to get it, the game is changed. We burn fuels. We have a problem in Japan - what is all these things for? All this mess we are in - we use oil, coal, nuclear, whatever - to do what? To boil water. The whole object of these materials is boiling water. And what does this boiling water do? Creates steam we put into a turbine. We run these huge - hundreds of millions of dollars of machinery called turbines and their backups and everything else, to do what? To rotate a shaft at the end, which is fitted with magnetic fields - solid magnets, to create a dynamic magnetic field when the turbine rotates.

So, now, because we understand how planets or stars rotate continuously, and our system works on the same basis, we don't need to burn anything [anymore]. We create a dynamic plasma, a rotating plasma of magnetic fields which I can increase its strength, increase or reduce its boundary, put in the same copper coil, I can get 1KW, 100KW, 1000KW (1MW). The energy game has changed.

I cannot forget one thing I was told very directly: We are an oil-producing nation, but we want to go for the energy. Iran is a peaceful country. I know how it works, I know how it's done. They could have stopped me developing; they have been the best supporters of the development I ever had, I am thankful to them. In Iran the way scientists are supported [does't] work with me. I'm not here against Americans or the British or anybody. I have lived in England now for thirty years and I have first cousins who are half American. Not really far from you. Where ever you are - I have my first bloods half American. We are all the same, But the only that has changed is that we are looking at a new way of producing energy without fuel.

I have written two books. I will explain in the first book second book The Structure of Light, I even explain light. Einstein said light is energy. This is not [so]. Light has a structure - it is the same thing as the plasma of an atom, but when it goes from one position to another it becomes a wave, it becomes an arrow to go faster. We use it in our reactors. We don't talk for the sake of talking. So that's all the difference is, and now when we said 2-2 1/2 years ago that there is going to be a spaceship show, we are ...