Mehran Keshe/interview

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My guest is a researcher and nuclear engineer. His name is Mehran Keshe. He designedplasma reactors. He's observed some interesting effects with these plasma reactors and we're going to talk to him. He lives in Belgium...

This is Bill Alek, you're on the progressive technology hour and I thought we'd get into some of your work.

plasma reactors: magnetic and gravitational field effects

These are nuclear-based systems where we actually achieve what some people call 'plasma disassembly' or "opening up" the plasma, where up to now in the world of physics we spoke about the atom, and then the nucleus, and then the plasma. Now we have 'opened' the plasma and we used the material within the plasma, which is what some people call antimatter - we call it principal matter, which is the main part of the plasma, and then we have what they call the 'dark matter' or so-called dark energy - which we call the transition, and then we have the physical, tangible matter of the plasma. So now we have developed a technology where we actually open up the plasma, we use its magnetic fields, and then we put it back together in a way so we don't actually burn or waste fuel - we don't use fuel. We use the magnetic field of the plasma, and that's why some of the things we do seem strange and some people say is unacceptable. Because what we are doing is ... to places like like Fermilab ... are doing 30-40 years ahead of them. It's a well-known fact. So, in a way, they say antimatter or antigravity - there is no anti about it. "Antimatter" is actually the principal matter of the plasma, it is the mother - the seed, the star. So we have taken physics knowledge of plasma a step further, deeper. As I've said, we started with atoms, then plasma, now we have opened the plasma and we see the properties of one matter, which is one magnetic field, which is the principal matter, or as they call it, antimatter. So the principal matter is a star and else it releases its energy and magnetic fields - in this from the strength and levels it becomes the so-called dark matter or it becomes the tangible matter, or it becomes X-rays - it depends where down the scale it is ... antimatter and antigravity as spoken in English.

'dark matter' vs. 'transition matter'

It's not 'dark matter', we call it transition matter. The antimatter, or principal matter, which is like a star, to get to the matter condition, you have [to pass through] a transition zone. That transition zone, scientists called up to now 'dark matter' - we call it transition matter, which is going like light from the sun reaching the earth. You start with the Sun. We call the Sun the main strength of the whole solar system. Antimatter we call the principal matter, it's the 'star' of the system, and it comes - reduces in strength - to light, to tangible matter, then it becomes all that we see. So there is no dark matter.

Dark matter is meaningless to us; we call it a transition from magnetics, from one strength to another - and there's no antimatter because we call it the principal, the star, the whole plasma. And when it comes to the tangible, we see it as the matter in our level - the matter level.

Websites

• http://www.keshefoundation.com
  • http://keshefoundation.com/powercells for our energy section
• http://www.keshespace.com

Six-year international plasma reactor teaching exchange program

In April we'll start teaching 100 scientists around the world the process of the way we work for production of energy, production of space propulsion - electrical motion, the production of material, and our health section. So we already have the first 100 people who have shown interest and have registered to join in. It's a six-year course and then they shall go back to their own countries. We will not centralise our institute to one country or nation. You come in to learn and you go back to teach your own nation.

It's a six-year, full-time course - that's the plan. You have to live, eat, breathe, day-by-day, through the course - not a 9-5 lecture. The first six months we will be teaching so that everyone starts thinking on the same level, and after that it's physical, making, developing your own reactors for the space technology, your own reactors for the food, medical applications, energy production - everything from A-Z. Because our technology, all our knowledge and patents gained in the process belongs after my passing to the United Nations {UN Social Justice} so I don't carry anything with me. So we were not ready, our knowledge wasn't that deep up until now. Now we think we have enough to start teaching and passing the information on.

Website for the curriculum

The site has been set up, people are there working on the structure of it, the course exactly what we will be doing. People will need visas to get into the country of teaching, because we will be dealing with nuclear materials we need licenses for testing from the government where we are going to start teaching so that we can handle these things safely. It's all going to be set up on in the next six months or so, and then ... we are now looking for who and {garbled}.

...very extensive in a way after six years people will know as much as I know, or the team will know as much as everybody else.

Moon mission, propulsion

Our plan is that by 2015 to land on the Moon, because we don't need to do propulsion - propulsion is already finished. We have systems which lift, we can position, call it magnetic gravitational field. The system is a replica of the Earth. It creates gravitational field like the Earth does and it creates a magnetic field which is ... our so-called 'atmosphere' for our protection. The two are done simultaneously.

What happens: The system finds its position with respect to Earth's magnetic and gravitational fields together. Our system is roughly ten kilo - it comes down to 9, 8, all the way to zero, and then you get a lift. We have to learn how to do directional motion, that's all being sorted out. So we are very much within the framework of what we want to do.

So you have a laboratory set up that demonstrates manipulation of gravity?

We have the systems, yes, it has been offered and handed over to - the vehicular version has been handed over to the Iranian government - they have the technology and blueprints. They already announced [1] [2] they have the Zohal spaceship. We announced this two years ago when I was in Iran. The knowledge has been transferred. The the nuclear reactors have been developed it's in the hands of the Iranian government, it's on par to Sweden's, and we have a copy of the same system with us in Europe. Boeing corporation has seen the system, NASA has seen the system, the Chinese government has seen the system - the {American government} is aware of what's been going on, the Belgian government is fully aware of what's been going on - we've taken the system to their offices. We're not joking, we're not playing, we don't talk. Videos of the weight reduction and the lift we have already handed over to officials of several governments so they know what is coming up.

There was a story that Iran has flying disk technology - is this the same technology?

Correct. That technology belongs to Keshe Foundation. It's been developed by us for them. It's been tested. The videos of the weight reduction have been in the hands of Boeing Corporation for the past 18 months; they know it. NASA has seen it, they know what it is. They have broken the law of propulsion. [Rocket] propulsion is out the window - there is no need for it. Our system weighs some 7-10 kilos and can lift several hundred tons. It's finished.

And then we don't use any fuel; it's a closed system. It's virtually like a pressure-cooker - there's no air displacement, it virtually works on the principle [that] if the gravity of the Earth changes, the Earth will move closer to or further from the Sun. A star system works the same but we have control over the strength of the magnetic and gravitational fields within the system. We find our position with respect to the Earth's gravitational and magnetic fields.

There is no 'anti-gravity' - that belongs to the people who don't understand the concept of the universal motion [cf: Reciprocal System of Theory/Scalar motion]. So, if you look at all the stars and planets, they have gravity and at the same time they produce a magnetic field which is their protection - what we call their atmosphere. So, we have developed the same, but if you are looking at inside the Earth, as much as the data we have, we don't see two different systems, there is one system that creates both of them at the same time [cf: Nassim Haramein/Double toroidal geometry].

So we have perfected the technology, it's taken thirty-odd years... done. And we made the first trial reactors that were showing internal lift, and the actual system which does the full lift has already been developed, so June of this year [March 2011] it will be {ten} years it has been handed over to the Iranian government.

Would you say that this device 'neutralises' gravity?

No. It finds its position in the {spectra} of gravity. It's a big difference. It doesn't create 'anti-gravity'. The system creates gravity and a magnetic field. When you increase its gravity, so you become heavy, you become close to {garbled}; when you increase its magnetic field, it does the reverse. So you actually 'position' yourself in respect to the Earth's gravitational and magnetic fields at the same time, not one of them or the other. And when we turn our system on, you increase the magnetic field of the system, when you pass the boundary of the reactor, you start seeing shimmering light, you see see a bright light coming off. Because the magnetic field of the system and the Earth's magnetic field and the Earth's gravitational field which is magnetically based, they interact - it's like a fluorescent tube. So, we see shimmering light on {the verge of} the interaction of the two magnetic fields and gravitational {fields}.

Is this light emanating from the device?

No. It's the interaction of the magnetic field of the device, which is past its boundary, and the Earth's magnetic field. It's where the two magnetic fields interface. It's like the interface between the Earth's magnetic field and the Sun's magnetic field. So the interface, if it is strong enough, issues a shimmering light.

What would you call this device, essentially, a 'gravity drive' ?

No. It's a Mag-Grav system. It stands for Magnetic and Gravitational system. It produces the two together at the same time. It's like the Earth. On the Earth you are held to the ground because the gravity is there, but at the same time the Earth creates a magnetic field, which is {all around} it is our atmosphere. So these systems do exactly the same, but with our system we use the 'anti-matter' - which we call the principal matter of the plasma to create very powerful fields with very few {atoms} - we use a millionth of a millionth of a gram of material to create this kind of lift. {garbled} atoms.

Are these spinning fields?

Yes, it's a dynamic field.